Red Dots and Holographic Sights for Duck Hunting?


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By Texas Woodie - 12/27/2011 12:38:55 PM
I went ahead and ordered a Holographic sight for my shotgun without really getting alot of input from other hunters who have used them.  I am waiting on it to get here in the mail and was just wondering if anyone on here has in the past or still are using one of these sights and which way they prefer.  I couldn't pass up the deal I got on it so even if it's not something I wanna use forever on my shotty I can always put it on my AR-15.   
By huntorgather - 1/4/2012 2:08:02 PM
I would have that thing tore off my gun inside a week.
By Trackmyer - 1/4/2012 6:18:32 PM
Hi Tex.  Not that I'm claiming to be a pro, but I can give ya my take.
 I have a "Holo" that I use on my Turkey gun.  I thought about possibly getting one for my Waterfowl gun, since I like it for Turkey.  They do make target acquisition fast, and even if the gun isn't properly shouldered, you put the dot on it, bang, dead.
I ended up not doing it on my Waterfowl gun because of the limitations I felt I would have using it.  On my holo I have 5 different crosshair/pin dot options, as well as 5 different light power levels, and choice of red or green dot colors.  Even on my lowest power level with only using the dot, ducks are just not that big a target unless they are within 20yards.  And even though Target shooters use them on targets as small as plates, they are not shooting high speed crossing shots, and weaving ducks as we encounter in the field.  I prefer my open viewing with both eyes open while I'm acquiring my target and then transitioning to my next target after first has been engaged.  A sight or scope frame of any kind would hinder my view for that, again, especially with high speed, small targets.  Some folks probably do this without issue.  I am not one of them.  I also find it easier to pass through my target when I'm judging lead to fire when I'm hunting Waterfowl, or Upland Birds with my bead sight.
For Turkey hunting, you are working with bigger targets, that are not moving nearly as fast, and in most cases they are coming in slow around the decoys and you take your time in shooting.   In these cases I feel the holo enhances my shooting ability, especially if shooting offhand, or not properly shouldered.  Take from it what you will, but that's my input.
By Kired - 1/4/2012 6:40:51 PM
I've shot a shotgun with a red dot on it and I wasn't overly impressed.  But that had more to do with not being used to it and having no prior experience skeet shooting with one.  That being said when the dot was on it hit what it was pointed at.  If you put it on your shotgun and practice with it and spend enough time with it and you shoot with both eyes open I think you might like it, but seeing as how you have already ordered it, might as well give it a chance and see how it goes.
By flannel - 1/4/2012 7:33:42 PM
Sounds like you watched too much Flyway Highway! Waterfowlers have been killing ducks without them just fine for centuries....not sure why anyone would blow money on them.
By Base - 1/4/2012 7:46:02 PM
flannel (1/4/2012)
Sounds like you watched too much Flyway Highway! Waterfowlers have been killing ducks without them just fine for centuries....not sure why anyone would blow money on them.


 I agree, I am surprised though I havent heard anyone ask this question about the "Burris Speed Bead". I use both eyes when I shoot, It would seem a bit cumbersome for me.  Let us know how you make out 
By Trackmyer - 1/4/2012 8:32:48 PM
flannel (1/4/2012)
Sounds like you watched too much Flyway Highway! Waterfowlers have been killing ducks without them just fine for centuries....not sure why anyone would blow money on them.


Not trying to bust chops, but really there is not much difference than buying fully flocked decoys, mojo's, high end modern calls, brand name layout blinds, and 1500+fps shot out of a 3 1/2" auto.  Since ol' timers were able to do it with side by side doubles firing paper cartridges with nothing more than a sheet covering them as they laid down in a field.  Or using blocks of dark painted, barely duck looking decoys,  and calls that squeak more than quack. 

Birds have been taken with a lot less technology over the years, but the sport is evolving.  Not just it optics, but ALL aspects I feel.

So I can see why someone would "blow" money on them.  I did for my Turkey gun, but I also spend money on all the other goodies too.
By flannel - 1/4/2012 9:27:22 PM
Trackmyer (1/4/2012)
flannel (1/4/2012)
Sounds like you watched too much Flyway Highway! Waterfowlers have been killing ducks without them just fine for centuries....not sure why anyone would blow money on them.


Not trying to bust chops, but really there is not much difference than buying fully flocked decoys, mojo's, high end modern calls, brand name layout blinds, and 1500+fps shot out of a 3 1/2" auto.  Since ol' timers were able to do it with side by side doubles firing paper cartridges with nothing more than a sheet covering them as they laid down in a field.  Or using blocks of dark painted, barely duck looking decoys,  and calls that squeak more than quack. 

Birds have been taken with a lot less technology over the years, but the sport is evolving.  Not just it optics, but ALL aspects I feel.

So I can see why someone would "blow" money on them.  I did for my Turkey gun, but I also spend money on all the other goodies too.


I guess that's where we're different-I use cheap GHG dekes, no mojos (illegal here anyway), wooden calls, hunker down in the cattails and shoot 2 3/4" #4 steel and kill @ 100 birds/year with my low-tech methodolgies. To me, it's the skill of the hunter not the wannabe who buys all the overhyped marketing B.S. who should be considered "evolved." Just my viewpoint and nothing personal. I also enjoy turkey hunting but only carry an old wooden box call and a shotgun with a factory bead. As they say, "Different Strokes...."
By Trackmyer - 1/4/2012 10:14:47 PM
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I guess that's where we're different-I use cheap GHG dekes, no mojos (illegal here anyway), wooden calls, hunker down in the cattails and shoot 2 3/4" #4 steel and kill @ 100 birds/year will my low-tech methodolgies. To me, it's the skill of the hunter not the sucker who buys all the overhyped marketing B.S. Just my viewpoint, nothing personal. Cheers.[/quote]

no offense taken.  I agree that there is a ton of cheap marketing garbage out there.  The Ozone Eliminator comes to mind for Deer hunting.  But I also think that a lot of new products are pretty good.  Holographic sights were brought into the military a while back, and work very well in its application.  Then they found there use in the civilian market.  Where they are starting to trickle their way into all aspects of hunting.   I do appreciate nostalgia that's why I still have a Black Powder rifle.  For the whole, if you can't do it in 1 shot, don't do it.  But given the choice between hunting in my old barn clothes, to hunting in modern warm Max 4 camo clothes, I have no issue with technology.

I have bigger issues with so called "Hunting Accidents" where people shoot other people or their dog because they didn't properly identify their target before touching one off.  Those people are the fools.  The people who just hunt because they want to shoot and kill something are fools.  People that hunt, the people that put in the time stalking and studying their prey, the ones who will endure hardship in the name of fun, I do not begrudge them for liking themselves a little modern comforts be it warm clothes or a new fangled sight.  I just wish we had more hunters that knew how to hunt, and not so many ya-hoo's that were able to buy high end gear, a license, and pay a guide so they can go out and kill something and call themselves hunters.
By flannel - 1/4/2012 10:28:09 PM
I couldn't agree more-and you got me on the modern clothing! I wouldn't give up my columbia parka or my cabelas waders, happy hunting!
By Texas Woodie - 11/13/2012 8:09:12 AM
Well I can now say with experience that the holo sight is the best purchase I've ever made for duck hunting.  It has improved my kill ratio dramatically.  Everyone that I hunt with and shoot skeet with always wanna take a turn with my shotgun because they enjoy it so much too.  I would highly recommend one to anybody that ever had any doubts about them.

I know there are some people who are obviously afraid of change or advancing with the sport but with this kind of technology out there and the revolving door that hunting is these days sometimes you gotta get on board or get left behind.  
By huntorgather - 11/14/2012 11:00:32 AM
Here is where we are going.

This new gunsight calculates distance, flying speed and angle. The sight adjusts for all that and you just put the crosshairs on the bird. Don't forget spare batteries!

Count me out.

P.S. At least until the new model comes out with patented " Bird ID. Technology"
By huntorgather - 11/14/2012 11:05:11 AM
And the green light that indicates when the bird is in range. 

Also: You enter species bagged the date and the state and zone you are in. If you are about to exceed the limit, the guns trigger will lock out.

Happy Hunting!
By Texas Woodie - 11/14/2012 11:11:35 AM
That's getting a little extreme.  I used a reflex sight just like the one I have on my shotgun the whole time I was in the Army and believe whole heartily in them.  You still have to lead your target, both of your eyes are open, because just like 
a stock bead, the sight is not your main point of focus.  The duck or clay is.  If you're comfortable with using a bead then so be it.  I personally like the idea of utilizing the technology that's available to make me a more proficient shooter so 
as not to maim any ducks that commit to my spread.  
By huntorgather - 11/14/2012 11:31:56 AM
Well then I'm sold. No more cripples. I'll take a dozen.
By Texas Woodie - 11/14/2012 11:45:36 AM
Everybody likes a little a$$, but nobody likes a smart a$$...  Thanks for your quality posts...  
By huntorgather - 11/14/2012 11:50:08 AM
Qh lighten up Francis.

I thought it was a little old school verses new school.
By huntorgather - 11/14/2012 12:27:11 PM
And by the way I think my posts virtually ooze with quality.
By flannel - 11/14/2012 5:07:18 PM
Won't be long and we can just remove the most unstable variable in the whole duck hunting equation...the hunter! That way no ducks are crippled and hell, none will even be killed without technology guided gadgets that require no human with skills or abilities! Sounds like awesome huntin' to me!
By chadandy12 - 11/16/2012 8:37:18 AM
I personally would never use one but if it works for you then do what works for you.
By DuckButts - 1/10/2013 1:12:06 PM
Sounds like you found a winner!  I don't have one and don't plan on it as they seem a bit cumbersome on a shotgun but I'll certainly give one a whirl if I see it on the clay range. 

It's only a sight guys, just another tool...  And lets leave it to the anti's to cast stones at our hunting bretheren. That's my 2 pesos.
By Swamper - 1/13/2013 8:21:16 PM
Texas Woodie (11/14/2012)
Everybody likes a little a$$, but nobody likes a smart a$$...  Thanks for your quality posts...  


precisely.   the worthless, antagonistic posts that some feel the need to post here are likely the reason the DU folks have let this forum rot on the vine.

the guy posted a question about holographic sights, and it ends in "look at me with a hundred birds"  and i only use a sling shot.  you're a legend in your own mind.... congrats.

texas woodie, glad you found the sight to be a good purchase my friend.  safe hunting.
By huntorgather - 1/14/2013 8:56:54 AM
" the worthless, antagonistic posts that some feel the need to post here are likely the reason the DU folks have let this forum rot on the vine."

Dang! I did not read in the forum rules where opinions and a little sarcastic humor are not welcome here.

As far as this site "rotting on the vine" I think it has a lot more to do with technical issues than anything else.
By Swamper - 1/14/2013 12:28:09 PM
huntorgather (1/14/2013)
" the worthless, antagonistic posts that some feel the need to post here are likely the reason the DU folks have let this forum rot on the vine."
Dang! I did not read in the forum rules where opinions and a little sarcastic humor are not welcome here.
As far as this site "rotting on the vine" I think it has a lot more to do with technical issues than anything else.
 we don't need rules.  just a little respect will suffice.   the anonymity of the internet creates misinterpretation.  it always safer to save the sarcastic humor for your friends in the duck blind.  
By huntorgather - 1/15/2013 11:21:43 AM
I'm not in the duck blind but thanks for the advice.
By Swamper - 1/15/2013 11:34:05 AM
huntorgather (1/15/2013)
I'm not in the duck blind but thanks for the advice.


your welcome.  it will be smoother sailing for you.
By huntorgather - 1/15/2013 12:17:02 PM
Your kindness is overwhelming Swamper.
By Swamper - 1/15/2013 1:53:04 PM
huntorgather (1/15/2013)
Your kindness is overwhelming Swamper.


try it....the world can be a better place.
By huntorgather - 1/15/2013 2:03:35 PM
Swamper:      Please teach me more oh guardian of the forum. Under your tutelage I might never speak my mind again. I'm sure you look forward to that day.
By flannel - 1/15/2013 6:26:31 PM
Swamper (1/13/2013)
Texas Woodie (11/14/2012)
Everybody likes a little a$$, but nobody likes a smart a$$...  Thanks for your quality posts...  


precisely.   the worthless, antagonistic posts that some feel the need to post here are likely the reason the DU folks have let this forum rot on the vine.

the guy posted a question about holographic sights, and it ends in "look at me with a hundred birds"  and i only use a sling shot.  you're a legend in your own mind.... congrats.

texas woodie, glad you found the sight to be a good purchase my friend.  safe hunting.


Hmmm, I guess it depends on how important the topic is to you. For ME, crap like holographic sights are a degradation of the sport. If I feel compelled to chime in on the subject, guess what....
By Swamper - 1/15/2013 8:58:23 PM
huntorgather (1/15/2013)
Swamper:      Please teach me more oh guardian of the forum. Under your tutelage I might never speak my mind again. I'm sure you look forward to that day.


feel free to speak it, simply try and say something worth reading.  

your first response to the gentleman's oringal post was sufficient.  flannel's was also.  sadly you continue on to belittle the man.   

sad really. it's why forums like this have such huge turnover of participants.
By huntorgather - 1/16/2013 3:47:56 PM
More please