Do... use quality shot...


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By rebelcj7 - 9/3/2011 1:49:10 PM
So as Hevi Metal... And if you havent tried it, then do yourself a favor and try some out...

For roughly 20 bucks a box you get 25 shells that are a mix of Hevi Shot and Premium Steel. Hevy Shot is the ULTIMATE shot hands down... But it carries a hefty price tag, and albeit warranted many whom shoot a lot every year simply cant afford it so Hevi Metal is your BEST replacement. Your pocketbook will thank you as will your grill! Steel is steel is steel, so why pay top dollar for steel that is a different shape? Color? Faster? When at the end of the day when steel lets off Hevi Shot will keep going... and going... and going.

TRY some and you won't be disappointed...
By flannel - 9/4/2011 5:46:14 PM
rebelcj7 (9/3/2011)
So as Hevi Metal... And if you havent tried it, then do yourself a favor and try some out...

For roughly 20 bucks a box you get 25 shells that are a mix of Hevi Shot and Premium Steel. Hevy Shot is the ULTIMATE shot hands down... But it carries a hefty price tag, and albeit warranted many whom shoot a lot every year simply cant afford it so Hevi Metal is your BEST replacement. Your pocketbook will thank you as will your grill! Steel is steel is steel, so why pay top dollar for steel that is a different shape? Color? Faster? When at the end of the day when steel lets off Hevi Shot will keep going... and going... and going.

TRY some and you won't be disappointed...


I think this has got to be the lamest advertisement I've seen yet....not to mention that my grill doesn't care about my pocketbook.
By GThomp189 - 9/5/2011 4:36:27 AM
Yea... Total and complete bs. Kent shells work just fine on all birds. Any new people reading this... It is not what you are shooting, but where you are hitting. Expensive ammo does not put more birds "on the grill". It just costs more and does the same thing. Believe me, i have tried the expensive stuff, and it cripped just as many birds. Yes it has more range, but if you are hunting properly, steel has all the range you need. Ever tried recovering a bird you shot at 50 yards shooting hevi shot? I have, and i did not find it. Use the cheap stuff, and you will kill birds. Any shell will crip a bird. If you hit them well with regular steel they do not even twitch. 
By arkansashogs18 - 9/6/2011 7:08:01 PM
Don't shoot at em past 35 yards and you don't need this expensive stuff...
By 1st and 10 - 9/7/2011 10:27:14 AM
all i have ever bought is cheap steel and if i get birds in, they go down........ inside 35 yards that is
By alloutwar13 - 9/9/2011 5:43:21 PM
Yeah Kent Fasteel all the way cheap and effective
By JasonBr - 9/9/2011 6:58:08 PM
You guys are wrong. I seem to remember there being a thread about shot shells, with members posting pictures of their shells cut open and there being crappy steel shot inside, within the past few years.....

Some cheap shells you can slice open and the steel shot looks like crap. They aren't round, or consistent size even. Lots of people just assume that there are perfect little balls inside the shells they buy. That's not always the case.





"For specific, well-documented examples of how poor some shotshells are, we can consider the findings of A. C. Jones in his 2010 book, Sporting Shotgun Performance. Dr. Jones found that the sphericity of some shot was bloody awful, with .020 in. out of round as common in some shells. Oval-shaped shot, shot that didn't roll well, shot welded together, a “Chef's Mix” of sizes and shapes is what he found. Andrew Jones described some of the shells as having many pellets that looked like Smarties candy. It doesn't take much to quickly realize that pellets of random sizes and shapes cannot possibly begin to fly the same and they don't.

No choke tube can hope to re-size or reshape our shot for us. If we want to blow stuff out of our barrels that looks like gravel, cubes, has the rings of Saturn, or looks like ink blots wildly inconsistent results are to be expected. The “normal distribution” doesn't work well when what we use shot to shot is abnormal and grossly misshapen.

Ammunition companies aren't solely to blame. We like cheap stuff, the cheapest stuff that goes bang. In order to give the consumer the cheapest product, quality control that costs time and money is naturally cast aside, due to the commodity-type pricing pressures that stress the shotshell market. Few people cut open shotshells and see what they are shooting, fewer still pattern their shotguns, so it all seems to work. Not always well, but if it doesn't make dollars it doesn't make sense."

By JasonBr - 9/9/2011 7:34:19 PM
Odd Shaped steel shot

By 1187 - 9/17/2011 8:21:33 AM
I have to agree with the thread, almost all of my shots are close and hevi-metal is great ammo, fast steel and the like are not so great.  After to many feather clouds and no birds I switched to better loads and I have seen a considerable drop in cripples.  I don't mind the extra .50 cents a shot when I have busted it out to be on the birds plus I shoot less anyway, clean shots for my sake and birds.
By flannel - 9/17/2011 10:19:01 AM
JasonBr (9/9/2011)
You guys are wrong. I seem to remember there being a thread about shot shells, with members posting pictures of their shells cut open and there being crappy steel shot inside, within the past few years.....

Some cheap shells you can slice open and the steel shot looks like crap. They aren't round, or consistent size even. Lots of people just assume that there are perfect little balls inside the shells they buy. That's not always the case.





"For specific, well-documented examples of how poor some shotshells are, we can consider the findings of A. C. Jones in his 2010 book, Sporting Shotgun Performance. Dr. Jones found that the sphericity of some shot was bloody awful, with .020 in. out of round as common in some shells. Oval-shaped shot, shot that didn't roll well, shot welded together, a “Chef's Mix” of sizes and shapes is what he found. Andrew Jones described some of the shells as having many pellets that looked like Smarties candy. It doesn't take much to quickly realize that pellets of random sizes and shapes cannot possibly begin to fly the same and they don't.No choke tube can hope to re-size or reshape our shot for us. If we want to blow stuff out of our barrels that looks like gravel, cubes, has the rings of Saturn, or looks like ink blots wildly inconsistent results are to be expected. The “normal distribution” doesn't work well when what we use shot to shot is abnormal and grossly misshapen.

Ammunition companies aren't solely to blame. We like cheap stuff, the cheapest stuff that goes bang. In order to give the consumer the cheapest product, quality control that costs time and money is naturally cast aside, due to the commodity-type pricing pressures that stress the shotshell market. Few people cut open shotshells and see what they are shooting, fewer still pattern their shotguns, so it all seems to work. Not always well, but if it doesn't make dollars it doesn't make sense."

 Not Necessarily....try cutting open a Federal Speed Shok, very round and very consistent with a nice, smooth surface on every pellet. They range from $11-$12 per box. If you can't kill with these, you'd better take up golfing instead. ;)
By JasonBr - 9/28/2011 1:56:42 AM
JasonBr (9/9/2011)
You guys are wrong. I seem to remember there being a thread about shot shells, with members posting pictures of their shells cut open and there being crappy steel shot inside, within the past few years.....

Some cheap shells you can slice open and the steel shot looks like crap. They aren't round, or consistent size even. Lots of people just assume that there are perfect little balls inside the shells they buy. That's not always the case.


He didn't say "expensive" shot. He said "quality".

Also, the links i posted show that Kent Fast steel is all round a good looking too.

I don't know why this is all 'quoted' the :endquote: sign is up there^
By brmotorhead - 7/27/2012 10:24:00 AM
I make my shot choices based on one thing, how they pattern at 20, 30, and 40 yds.  spend the money on a couple choke tubes and a few different brands and shot sizes and you will save yourself alot of money in the future. i dont care if it has steel, heavy metal, brass, gold, or frigin rock salt, its not gonna do nothing if its not hitting the bird! and the only way to know is to pattern!
By JTFrisque - 7/27/2012 10:53:52 AM
brmotorhead (7/27/2012)
I make my shot choices based on one thing, how they pattern at 20, 30, and 40 yds.  spend the money on a couple choke tubes and a few different brands and shot sizes and you will save yourself alot of money in the future. i dont care if it has steel, heavy metal, brass, gold, or frigin rock salt, its not gonna do nothing if its not hitting the bird! and the only way to know is to pattern!


best argument I've read so far. Everyone tests out new rifle ammo before they use but they never think to pattern their shotgun. They wonder why they miss
By Honker-Konker - 7/27/2012 10:38:33 PM
JasonBr (9/9/2011)
You guys are wrong. I seem to remember there being a thread about shot shells, with members posting pictures of their shells cut open and there being crappy steel shot inside, within the past few years.....

Some cheap shells you can slice open and the steel shot looks like crap. They aren't round, or consistent size even. Lots of people just assume that there are perfect little balls inside the shells they buy. That's not always the case.





"For specific, well-documented examples of how poor some shotshells are, we can consider the findings of A. C. Jones in his 2010 book, Sporting Shotgun Performance. Dr. Jones found that the sphericity of some shot was bloody awful, with .020 in. out of round as common in some shells. Oval-shaped shot, shot that didn't roll well, shot welded together, a “Chef's Mix” of sizes and shapes is what he found. Andrew Jones described some of the shells as having many pellets that looked like Smarties candy. It doesn't take much to quickly realize that pellets of random sizes and shapes cannot possibly begin to fly the same and they don't.

No choke tube can hope to re-size or reshape our shot for us. If we want to blow stuff out of our barrels that looks like gravel, cubes, has the rings of Saturn, or looks like ink blots wildly inconsistent results are to be expected. The “normal distribution” doesn't work well when what we use shot to shot is abnormal and grossly misshapen.

Ammunition companies aren't solely to blame. We like cheap stuff, the cheapest stuff that goes bang. In order to give the consumer the cheapest product, quality control that costs time and money is naturally cast aside, due to the commodity-type pricing pressures that stress the shotshell market. Few people cut open shotshells and see what they are shooting, fewer still pattern their shotguns, so it all seems to work. Not always well, but if it doesn't make dollars it doesn't make sense."



Last time I saw the inside of a Hevi shot shell the pellets were not round and uniform and they aren't cheap. So expensive shells can deformed pellets as well. 
By Riley1810 - 8/7/2012 8:04:08 AM
I dont use any shell that doesnt pattern well out of my gun regardless of the cost.  I have boxes of shells that cost me $15 that have done better out of my gun than some of the $25-$30 shells.  I also will not pull the trigger on a bird more than 35 yards out.  Not into sky busting here.
By Rinkor16 - 9/17/2012 12:54:39 PM
Kent Faststeel all the way. Never let me down. Great quality with a great price.
By montanabob - 11/5/2012 9:51:54 PM
I agree with ya Flannel, I buy the same federal by the case from Cabelas. Its reasonable in price and seems as good of quality as anything. I have shot it all hevi steel, hevi shot, black cloud, white cloud, blind side, left side, you name it and never worried about price. In the end I've decided I do just as good with the federal. If you put it where it is suppost to be it will kill. I think the biggest thing is finding something that patterns well with your gun and stick with it. The less change and more familiar with it you are the better. My hunting partner has used Kent 3 inch 3's for everything for years. Ducks, geese you name it. Very rarely does he sail a bird. I watched him shoot a swan last week here in Montana with 3's. First bird that he shot at, one shot 50 yards hit the ground dead. Find what works and stick with it.
By wingshot3 - 11/16/2012 4:11:11 PM
Same here! I won't go back to cheap shells and cripples! I pay money for my shells but not Hevi! I use the same as the Duck Commander Black Cloud all the way everyone!
By cckiltflies - 11/17/2012 11:52:42 PM
Practice a little, pattern your shots, and you'll get birds down regardless of what you're shooting.  Nothing like spending an extra $10-15 on a box of shells and not knowing how you shoot.  I'd put a box of xperts to hevi any day and I'll shoot just as well, as will anybody who takes the time to care about their shots.  Just my two cents!
By Swamper - 12/25/2012 5:42:01 PM
cckiltflies (11/17/2012)
Practice a little, pattern your shots, and you'll get birds down regardless of what you're shooting.  Nothing like spending an extra $10-15 on a box of shells and not knowing how you shoot.  I'd put a box of xperts to hevi any day and I'll shoot just as well, as will anybody who takes the time to care about their shots.  Just my two cents!


and my 2 cents makes 4.

i shoot xpert.  have 43 years of waterfowling experience.   buy whatever makes you feel successful.  in the end.....practice and become a good shooter and save yourself some cash.